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You know this change thing isn't working out so well.

I could explain in exacting detail how I feel the 'change' message got derailed (if it was ever real in the first place) but I frankly don't have the energy to more than give a tired touch.  I will simply say that IMO Rahm embodied everything wrong: who thought that America would appreciate an uncouth, hot-headed, behind-the-scenes wheeler-dealer?  Wasn't Obama all about cool, classy & transparent?

A succinct analysis of Change?  The Obama administration is composed of Clinton/90's retreads - that goes for the people and the ideas.  Who dat Larence Summers?  Dat be a money-grubbing old-boys-club capitalist.

You might say that govt doesn't change overnight - but if we don't see change in drastic fashion in the next year then you will see an even more dramatic change than the 2010 election. Yes Obama team...It's time to start firing before the voters get hiring.

I hear it, and feel it myself:  Obama didn't change, so let's change him.  I hold out the smallest hope that the defense budget will be cut in half, and other great things will happen to this poor nation...but I have lost hope that Obama can/will bring that change.

What about you dear voter?  


What's your level of enthusiasm for getting behind 4 More Years of Change?

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  •  Tip Jar (4+ / 0-)

    To DailyKos I'm a troll, Naderite, right wing conservative. Fortunately, I like dissent...just shake, stir and relax.

    by BOknows on Tue Apr 12, 2011 at 01:55:55 PM PDT

  •  Le changement c'est moi (1+ / 0-)
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    Johnny Q

    I still think that candidate Obama's message of change was more or less sincere and the conclusion I draw from that is that he had a quite different idea than I did of what would constitute change.

    I guess he believes that there are no serious disagreements about policy issues among serious people, so he would set the tone by being accommodating and that would be really different.

    As it stands now, I'm coming to believe that we'd be better off with a Republican President until we have a Presidential candidate who is really willing to provide some opposition.

    But, how about your userid? Must have been adopted in a moment of enthusiasm that you can only regard ironically now.

    "The smartest man in the room is not always right." -Richard Holbrooke

    by Demi Moaned on Tue Apr 12, 2011 at 02:09:23 PM PDT

    •  Noooooooo (3+ / 0-)
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      bubbanomics, TofG, HockeyFan

      We'll be worse off, not better off, with a Republican President no matter how Republican Obama tries to be. He will appoint future Supreme Court Justices, and we can only hope someone like Jeff Sessions won't be one of them. We can't say the same about a Republican.

      We can, however, get Obama to move left, but we have to play hardball. A credible primary opponent will threaten his hopes for what he really wants - a second term. An opponent who can return to the fold and support Obama if he comes back to progressive principles is the only way to shake him out of his Republican swoon.

      The most credible candidates include Elizabeth Warren, Russ Feingold, and Howard Dean because they could conceivably win a general election. Less credible candidates would only gain media ridicule - Kucinich, Grayson, Weiner - admirable though they may be.

      "...the poor must accept big cuts in Medicaid and food stamps; the middle class... in Medicare ; and ... the rich must accept big cuts in the taxes they have to pay. Shared sacrifice!" - Paul Krugman

      by ebrann on Tue Apr 12, 2011 at 02:33:30 PM PDT

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      •  Yeah, people always forget about that (4+ / 0-)

        Surely appointing Kagan and Sotomayor was somehow a cave to the Republicans, right?

        Proud supporter of nuclear power!

        by zegota on Tue Apr 12, 2011 at 02:42:48 PM PDT

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      •  Good luck with that. (2+ / 0-)
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        HockeyFan, Johnny Q
        We can, however, get Obama to move left,

        Magic 8 Ball says 'All indications point to 'No''.

        •  Signs point to yes (0+ / 0-)

          What Obama wants above all is to be re-elected. (He is a politician, you know.) He is following the Clinton plan with a vengeance, and he obviously believes that what the left does is irrelevant as long as he can re-capture independents by moving right. So far, it seems he is correct.

          But what good is that if he is so far to the right that he will be a lame duck for four years with a hostile Republican Senate and House that owes their future to the Tea Party and the Koch Brothers?

          If he sees that he will lose re-election if the left abandons him, he will roll out a new round of preemptive compromises and toss them the left's way.  

          Of course, if progressives want to sit back and complain and take no action, your 8-ball is correct.

          "...the poor must accept big cuts in Medicaid and food stamps; the middle class... in Medicare ; and ... the rich must accept big cuts in the taxes they have to pay. Shared sacrifice!" - Paul Krugman

          by ebrann on Tue Apr 12, 2011 at 04:18:24 PM PDT

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    •  "better off with a Republican"...fucking insane (6+ / 0-)

      batshit fucking insane...just one more indication of where this site is going.

      •  No, it's just a strategy you don't like. (3+ / 0-)

        Bush was the best thing that happened to the Dem party in decades.

        Sadly, Obama squandered the momentum for real change Bush had built.

        Another destructive as hell batshit Repub President could again sweep Dems into power in 2016, and maybe they could actually do something real with it at that point.  Not sure I'd hold my breath, though.

        •  Really? Obama is governing the country GWB (1+ / 0-)
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          left us, the elite and the general public aneasthetized by the RW corporate media. You may hate Obama and talk 'strategy', a 'strategy' favored by some 1% of the electorate in polls, and think it ok to have the next Dem come in in 8-20 years from now preside over a GOP transformed wreckage.

          This 'strategy' you speak of is a train wreck. GWB stole 2 elections, the next GOP President could steal 4 elections.

          That's condemning entire generations to GOP rule.

          Pie fights are for Gilligan actresses and deliriously tired bakers.

          by doinaheckuvanutjob on Tue Apr 12, 2011 at 03:57:06 PM PDT

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          •  Don't project onto me, thanks. (3+ / 0-)

            I don't hate Obama.  As a person, I like him.  I think his style of leadership is completely unsuited for his current job, but that's another issue.

            And as we've always heard, we get the gov't we deserve.  If the people would allow 'the next GOP President to steal '4 elections' (Is he going to repeal the term limit cap on presidents, too?) then they bloody well deserve it.

            •  Giving you a tip for reasonable civil (2+ / 0-)
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              Demi Moaned, David Kroning II

              discussion-- sorry about the 'hate Obama', but I did qualify it with 'you may hate him', but I appreciate the clarification of your views and I respect what you're saying.

              As to getting the govt. we deserve, I understand your point. I view it differently. I believe we are our brother's keepers. Many people really are too stupid or low info or careless or rationalize their voting choices-- it's up to us to do a better job to inform and prevent disasters that the GOP would create.

              Remember Katrina. Today's GOP is a mass murdering outfit, and they enjoy it.

              Pie fights are for Gilligan actresses and deliriously tired bakers.

              by doinaheckuvanutjob on Tue Apr 12, 2011 at 04:08:26 PM PDT

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              •  Putting it succinctly (1+ / 0-)
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                The way things are going I'm convinced that the next President after Obama will be a Republican. It will be bad whenever it happens, but if it's going to be that way then better in '12 than '16.

                If Obama were making any kind of a case for Progressive policies, then there would be a chance that we could follow it up with something better. As it is, by validating and actively implementing Republican policies, he's taking the sins of the Republican Party and putting them on the Democratic Party. As the collapse continues, the public will blame the Democratic Party and turn to the Republicans, and God help us then.

                It's a bad situation. But I don't see how cheering for Obama's re-election is going to make it any better.

                "The smartest man in the room is not always right." -Richard Holbrooke

                by Demi Moaned on Tue Apr 12, 2011 at 05:10:16 PM PDT

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                •  Ok, but I see no advantage to (1+ / 0-)
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                  Demi Moaned

                  moving the country to the Right, the damage to undo would be far worse than it is this time around. Eight years of Obama will undo enough of that damage to perhaps make this country livable again.

                  I see Obama as a symptom of the bigger problem of institutional wreckage, not as him being the problem. As some Republican operative said recently, the DC Village hasn't been occupied by the Right completely enough. There lies the real problem, in part, and a complete take over would be hard to overthrow, since the Right has no qualms about using unconstitutional and harsh police state measures which aren't hard to put in place in a war context, ensuring at least 8+ years of further destruction if they get in power.

                  Pie fights are for Gilligan actresses and deliriously tired bakers.

                  by doinaheckuvanutjob on Wed Apr 13, 2011 at 12:18:41 PM PDT

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    •  Don't forget GWB was a near dictator, (2+ / 0-)
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      and if the GOP gets back in, they will have some event to impose a unitary executive climate. GWB changed America, destroyed it. Another GOP president will condemn generations of us to complete ruin.

      Things may look bad now, but it shouldn't be so hard to imagine what today's insane GOP will do.

      Pie fights are for Gilligan actresses and deliriously tired bakers.

      by doinaheckuvanutjob on Tue Apr 12, 2011 at 03:53:13 PM PDT

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    •  Good lord (0+ / 0-)

      Every candidate runs on "change"- Bill Clinton, Hillary, Biden, etc. etc. You could go back decades and find both parties talking about changing things in Washington. Don't listen to campaign rhetoric, look at his record. Obama's short political life before becoming president was all about compromising with the other side. He may not be the savior you think he should have been, but he's magnitudes better than his opponent and Mrs. Palin in the WH.
      And honestly, after witnessing what happened to this country under 8 years of George Bush, or looking at what Kasich or Walker or Scott are doing as governors, or looking at Paul Ryan's ideas for how to cut the deficit, you are simply insane to think we could survive another 4 or 8 years of a Republican presidency.

      How come the dove gets to be the peace symbol? How about the pillow? It has more feathers than the dove and doesn't have that dangerous beak. Jack Handey

      by skohayes on Tue Apr 12, 2011 at 05:00:57 PM PDT

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  •  He and his team think they know it all (1+ / 0-)
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    Johnny Q

    Thus, I pass this time.

  •  I'll be donating to and volunteering for (7+ / 0-)

    Obama's re-election.  Overall I'm very happy with the general body of things he's been able to get done, and looking forward to what he can achieve in his second 4 years.

  •  There's No Viable Candidate (2+ / 0-)
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    bubbanomics, doinaheckuvanutjob

    There's no practical election purpose in talking about a primary.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Tue Apr 12, 2011 at 02:45:37 PM PDT

  •  SC appontments make it VERY imprtant to reelect (1+ / 0-)
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    Obama. There could be 2-3 vacancies in the near future.

  •  Bo doesn't know (2+ / 0-)
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    skohayes, Johnny Q


    "When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him." - Jonathan Swift

    by American Zapatista on Tue Apr 12, 2011 at 03:06:10 PM PDT

  •  Don't forget we are "Fking Retarded" with (0+ / 0-)

    "no place else to go".  I think we are safer if we just stay home! Right Rahm?  

  •  Off topic, Bo I feel I owe you an apology. (3+ / 0-)
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    BOknows, Lawrence, tmo

    A while back, you wrote a diary stating that the Egyptian people's uprising should be supported regardless of consequences. I didn't oppose the uprising at all but was worried about what it might lead to, whether it would end up with something worse. I saw that you were now right about that. Been wanting to apologize to you for months. So here it is now, you were right then, and I was wrong.

    Pie fights are for Gilligan actresses and deliriously tired bakers.

    by doinaheckuvanutjob on Tue Apr 12, 2011 at 04:02:31 PM PDT

    •  The Mad Blogs of Revolutionary Fervor (2+ / 0-)
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      doinaheckuvanutjob, Lawrence

      It's been said that when one can choose between being right and being kind, one should choose kindness.

      The wisdom is thus:  Who is right can be debated...however, who is kind or unkind is usually very clear.

      Applying that logic to Egypt:  we didn't always know who might be right, but we did know Mubarak was anything but kind.  We were culpable and it was time to try make things right while we had the chance.

      Applying that logic to America:  It's worrisome that there's a part of the country right now that doesn't care about being either kind or right.   Perhaps Obama doesn't have much of a chance anymore of reaching them before he retires to a seaside village - but he should still try.

      Applied to you :  you're certainly right for being kind.  Apology accepted with the thought that you might accept the same.

      To DailyKos I'm a troll, Naderite, right wing conservative. Fortunately, I like dissent...just shake, stir and relax.

      by BOknows on Tue Apr 12, 2011 at 04:39:58 PM PDT

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  •  Who else will be on the ballot? (0+ / 0-)

    Seriously, I never thought Obama was the Second Coming, maybe just a lesser evil than McCain. If you're still waiting for the Messiah, don't expect him or her to come in the guise of a politician. I'll vote for the lesser of two evils. Or maybe the least of three.

  •  This whole discussion is silly (1+ / 0-)
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    Don't get me wrong, I'm all for criticizing Obama. I've done plenty of it in the past.

    But by the sound of it, you'd think Democrats in general were ready to throw Obama overboard at this point. When in fact his approval within the party is in the 80s. There is no bringing in "a real progressive loony like Nader." And it's funny you mention Nader because he pretty much gave George Bush the White House by exploiting liberal disillusionment with Clinton.

    DKos has always prided itself on being a "reality based community" and so I'd rather focus on winning back the House and keeping the Senate (or barring that, flipping both of them in 2014) so we can return to a Democratic legislature in the near future. That is a big, concrete change that is within reach!

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