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This is a letter submitted to the Jerusalem Post in response to Israel's right wing response to Obama's speech - in which they referred to Obama as 'the next Arafat'.  The contention of course is that Obama supports a return to 1967 borders, which makes him a founding member of the PLO in their myopic eyes.

As I wrote the above intro, the irony struck me as I considered how I might have constructed the mother of all run-on sentences by continuing to explain the 'responses' that constitute the backstory.  Indeed, that is the backstory - in the Middle East, foreign policies only respond/react.  If so many people hadn't died, were dying, or otherwise made miserable, the whole thing would be pitifully laughable.

Without further ado, the slap of the 600 character-limited lead-lined velvet glove...

This is a 'friendly warning' to Israel. Note that it is not 'friendly advice' - it's beyond that.

America has shed blood, tears & shekels untold for Israel. While we certainly advanced our interests, Israel has been a net beneficiary. What we get is 'Obama is the next Arafat'.

The American public & leadership is increasingly neutral or opposed to advancing Israel's cause. However, Israel must see that dealing with Obama is preferable to dealing alone with 'the PLO' - or perhaps Israel should try that so it might know for itself?

Indeed, why should America care about who Israel deals with in any scenario?

http://www.jpost.com/...

Updated by BOknows at Fri May 20, 2011 at 12:47 AM PDT

Only on Kos can the same diary be accused of simultaneously advancing the conservative cause (ie accused of being trollish), being too kind to Obama, and too harsh towards Israel (indeed I was called anti-Semetic).


To those who hide-rate and make accusations of trolling, I ask of you:  How can I be so pro-Obama and so anti-Obama with the same words?  Do you read other people's comments and see the disparity?  I think not, as that wouldn't fit in with the narcissism that's implied by hide-rating in the first place.  


If it's not abundantly clear...I wrote the letter to the JPost in response to the description of Obama as 'the next Arafat' - and then posted the JPost article for the reader to reference.  Now why exactly does that make me a troll?


Originally posted to BOknows on Thu May 19, 2011 at 12:41 PM PDT.

Also republished by Trolls.

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  •  Obama has courage (3+ / 0-)

    He knows giving a speech like this is going to piss off the right and much of America. The right wing will be calling him a pro Palestinian radical.

  •  Obama is not Arafat; (7+ / 0-)

    a letter to the editor does not reflect offfical Israeli belief or the views of most people in Israel and parts of your diary is contrary to the spirity of Obama's remarks.

    This part expecially:

    This is a 'friendly warning' to Israel. Note that it is not 'friendly advice' - it's beyond that.

    America has shed blood, tears & shekels untold for Israel. While we certainly advanced our interests, Israel has been a net beneficiary. What we get is 'Obama is the next Arafat'.

    That was not Obama at all.

    WWRHD? What Would Robin Hood Do?

    by TomP on Thu May 19, 2011 at 01:05:19 PM PDT

  •  Obama is not Arafat (5+ / 0-)

    Obama is not a terrorist and he actually wants peace between Israel and the Palestinians.

  •  One quibble (7+ / 0-)

    No American soldier has ever spilled blood for Israel.  Money and weapons, yes, but never blood.

    While the right wing in Israel is freaking out, the ADL is applauding the speech.

    http://www.adl.org/...

    and Hamas is calling it a total failure:

    http://www.ynetnews.com/...

    •  Patraeus say US soldiers die because of Palestine (1+ / 0-)
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      JillR

      We have not fought on Israeli territory, but I do think we have fought many wars for Israel nonetheless.

      What is the American cause in the Middle East?  In large part it is to protect Israel.

      Case in point:  Iran is an educated, western-friendly society (even if their government is not)...yet our Israel alliance precludes any relationship between the US and Iran.

      Case in point:  Turkey is an educated, secular society...

      I could say the same types of things about Iraq and Egypt in some part.  Unfortunately, Israel is the great scapegoat for too many Middle Eastern govt's.  

      By talking fair and promoting agreements between democracies, the US could do much to defang the vitrolic speeches made by despots. Less vitrol means less recruits into extremist organizations ... which means less US casualties.

      Too many blood ties in the Middle East...and too many tie-ins to blood.

      To DailyKos I'm a troll, Naderite, right wing conservative. Fortunately, I like dissent...just shake, stir and relax.

      by BOknows on Thu May 19, 2011 at 01:35:30 PM PDT

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      •  What is the American cause in the Middle East? (2+ / 0-)
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        leftynyc, notrouble

        It seems more about the oil than anything else -- the rhetoric might be all about israel, but the policy seems to be all about the oil ...

        "I want to keep them alive long enough that I can win them to Christ," - Rick Warren, Professional Greed Driven Scumbag

        by josephk on Thu May 19, 2011 at 01:50:11 PM PDT

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      •  What (0+ / 0-)

        What a bunch of B.S. - The US prevented from making peace with Iran because of Israel.  As for the US 'talking fair and promoting agreements between democracies' - have you perhaps noticed that besides Israel, there are NO democracies in the Middle East? (With the possible exception of Iraq and Kurdistan, but that's still developing).

        •  Elections alone do not make a democracy (0+ / 0-)

          As the demographics of Israel changes and tilts towards the Arab population, it may be interesting to see what develops even in regards to the elections.

          Speaking of demographics, Israel has less than 50 years to make peace and make people forget about Palestine as a religious struggle.

          To DailyKos I'm a troll, Naderite, right wing conservative. Fortunately, I like dissent...just shake, stir and relax.

          by BOknows on Fri May 20, 2011 at 12:54:58 AM PDT

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      •  Fought wars for Israel? (2+ / 0-)

        Utter rubbish which exactly parrots the anti-Semitic drivel one finds on other sites.

        What war has the US fought for Israel?

        Not the first Gulf War -- we did that for the Kuwaitis and the Saudis. I might add that Israel sacrificed itself for our cause at the time -- taking SCUD strikes without responding.

        Not the Iraq War -- Israeli PM Sharon told Bush it was the wrong war at the wrong time -- one which would strengthen Iran, which Israel perceived as the real threat.

        Not the Afghan conflict -- that was our own effort responding to enemy that was repeatedly attacking us...an enemy that never struck Israeli interests.

        As for our problems with Iran, it's true that the US and Israel are in agreement about the dangers posed by the Iranian nuclear program, but the Egyptians and the Saudis were equally animated and have threatened to build their own nukes in response. Israel is not coming between this supposed love affair between the US and Iran. The only thing that keeps us from getting along with Iran is the Iranian gov't and it's hostility towards us -- a hostility that has roots in our support for the Shah, not our support for Israel.

        I don't want to offend, even though I"m offended by your diary -- but, you're either ignorant or just prone to an anti-Semitic worldview..

        Coming Soon -- to an Internet connection near you: Armisticeproject.org

        by FischFry on Thu May 19, 2011 at 04:14:11 PM PDT

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        •  Once again (0+ / 0-)

          conflating criticism of Israel with anti-Semitism.

          First defeat, then deceit, then you're totally in denial (old Egyptian proverb)

          by Ptah the Great on Thu May 19, 2011 at 04:31:40 PM PDT

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          •  When it's irrational... (3+ / 0-)

            It's fairly easy to conflate it with irrational prejudice. When it's not real criticism of Israel, but actually perfect mimicry of the same crap that you hear from folks who are blatantly anti-Semitic, it's easy to conflate the two.

            When you see someone claiming the US has been fighting wars for Israel  -- the same drivel that you hear from people who rail against Jewish control of the media and the ZOG, and a historical allegation that flies in the face of all evidence and reason, it's easy to conflate the author's take with those who are peddling the exact same conspiratorial bigotry.

            I don't conflate criticism of Israel with anti-Semitism. I offer plenty of criticism of Israel myself.

            So, you're the one doing the conflating here, implying that any criticism of an apparently anti-Semitic creed is irrational and just another example of knee-jerk allegations of anti-Semitism. I offered a legitimate criticism, point-by-point -- and made the point that the author's claim was indistinguishable from those who are quite open in their hatred for Jews. Not all potential criticisms of Israel -- just this one anti-Semitic meme which persists despite all evidence being to the contrary.  You're the one trying to offer up a blanket invalidation of all criticisms of those who attack Israel.

            Coming Soon -- to an Internet connection near you: Armisticeproject.org

            by FischFry on Thu May 19, 2011 at 04:50:24 PM PDT

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            •  I'm not anti-Semitic... (0+ / 0-)

              Set your mind at ease

              I note that you're arguing for fairness and rationalism to go along with rejection of prejudice, yet your arguments are highly emotional and begin with an assumption of anti-Semitic thinking on my part.

              To DailyKos I'm a troll, Naderite, right wing conservative. Fortunately, I like dissent...just shake, stir and relax.

              by BOknows on Fri May 20, 2011 at 12:23:06 AM PDT

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              •  Not exactly (1+ / 0-)
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                I was very careful with my words. I said your argument about the US fighting wars on Israel's behalf is the same stuff I would find coming from folks who are fairly openly anti-Semitic.

                Coming Soon -- to an Internet connection near you: Armisticeproject.org

                by FischFry on Fri May 20, 2011 at 08:36:14 AM PDT

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      •  it goes both ways (0+ / 0-)

        The US doesn't back Israeli completely from altruism, or for that matter because of powerful lobbies.  We have a military presence there, we have a 'special' relationship in more than one way. That's why our military was so pissed when they spied on us, all they had to do was ask.  In the Arab world Israel is referred to as the 51st state.  We do have Americans fighting there and spilling blood, but they have dual citizenship.  Actually the reason it's now legal to have dual citizenship started with the need/desire of Americans to also hold Israeli passports, and the other way around.  

        This is politics, the vast majority of Israeli citizens see the need for a Palestinian state, and recognize that the injustices have been minimally provocative.  But they have this multi-party democracy and a small population, and lots of newspapers, and so no one party every wins a majority, they always have to accommodate smaller parties to make up a majority.  And those smaller parties include wing-nuts who can't compromise on settler's rights to be blockheads.  

        Just say it: Medicare for All

        by anna shane on Thu May 19, 2011 at 06:20:02 PM PDT

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    •  Israeli right wing is freaking out and... (8+ / 0-)

      Hamas is equally unhappy...

      They are both in the extreme, regardless to their opposition.

      It is interesting that they find themselves sharing the same space...both disagreeing with the same man.

      "Corruptio Optima Pessimi" (Corruption of the best is the worst)

      by zenox on Thu May 19, 2011 at 01:51:25 PM PDT

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    •  that seems a tad simple (0+ / 0-)
      No American soldier has ever spilled blood for Israel.  Money and weapons, yes, but never blood.

      Israel is part of a larger whole regarding the 'middle east strategy'  Ostensibly, one could make the argument that no US soldier has ever spilled blood for Middle east oil - since oil doesn't have a direct agenda of its own -- however, I would make the assertion that no US soldier has spilled blood for middle east oil because, well ... I think that much has been spent on it -- including blood!

      "I want to keep them alive long enough that I can win them to Christ," - Rick Warren, Professional Greed Driven Scumbag

      by josephk on Thu May 19, 2011 at 01:56:22 PM PDT

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    •  One quibble? Just one quibble? (4+ / 0-)

      I find the whole diary offensive. So, someone -- and I'm not clear on this -- was it a letter printed by the Post, or is it a comment buried somewhere among the dozens of comments on the article you linked?) -- someone wrote a letter or posted a blog comment and you think that justifies this despicable diary which purports to threaten Israel unless the government and apparently every single Israeli defers totally to our President?

      One quibble? I can't find one thing here that I don't quibble with.

      Coming Soon -- to an Internet connection near you: Armisticeproject.org

      by FischFry on Thu May 19, 2011 at 03:54:23 PM PDT

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      •  You're right about that (2+ / 0-)
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        volleyboy1, FischFry

        I don't have the energy or inclination to pull it apart line by line but that kind of comment always rubs me the wrong way.  Israel is held to a much higher standard than any other country on the planet and no American soldier has ever spilled one drop of blood for Israel unlike places that routinely burn American flags and are virtual shitholes for women to live in.

        I'm fine with the President's speech.  It's really nothing new and I'm thrilled he talked about women's rights with such passion.

        •  A higher standard? Ever visit the West Bank? (0+ / 0-)

          Israel denies individual liberties, Hamas denies Israeli statehood.  

          Hamas shoots unguided rockets, Israel uses white phosphorus.  

          Israel denies the right of a democratically elected government to exist.  Hamas denies the same towards Israel.

          Seems to me they're on equal terms.

          Israel is not a moral authority created by passive resistance.  Israel has kicked a** with virtual impunity for decades now.  They left that higher standard behind in the concentration camps.  Now, they let the chips fall where they may.

          Problem is...we're providing the chips that Israel gambles with.

          To DailyKos I'm a troll, Naderite, right wing conservative. Fortunately, I like dissent...just shake, stir and relax.

          by BOknows on Fri May 20, 2011 at 01:03:01 AM PDT

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          •  Israel is the ONLY (2+ / 0-)
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            Mets102, volleyboy1

            country where they are expected to sit and watch missles and bombs fall on their land, watch people cross their border and no absolutely nothing about it.   That's what I meant about a higher standard.  Any other country (including my own, the US) would annihilate anybody who lobbed bombs over the border.  

            That you can put the Israeli government on the same plane as Hamas, a terrorist organization, is very telling.

            •  Their land? Israel has moved beyond... (0+ / 0-)

              ...the international borders recognized by the international community.  They are invaders, not the invaded.

              What if America announced that we were going to annex Mexico and build retirement communities there?  What if we were still in Panama?  Or Kuwait?  

              The world has sat by while Israel has taken land by force.  More so, Israel has refused to negotiate so long as the other side creates a 'pre-condition' of negotiations leading to the return of that land.  Imagine that...the Palestinians want their land back.  The arrogance.

              I don't hold the Palestinians blameless (particularly Hamas) but I can certainly understand why they would feel justified in hitting back at their oppressors.

              As to the targets of the Hamas rockets being civilians, I do agree that it is immoral.  However, Israel hardly defines the line on morality themselves.

              To DailyKos I'm a troll, Naderite, right wing conservative. Fortunately, I like dissent...just shake, stir and relax.

              by BOknows on Sun May 22, 2011 at 01:51:59 AM PDT

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  •  So what happens in 2012? (1+ / 0-)
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    Gooserock

    First Obama wins in 2012 by killing OBL, then loses by resurrecting Arafat?

    We're shocked by a naked nipple, but not by naked aggression.

    by Lepanto on Thu May 19, 2011 at 01:38:44 PM PDT

  •  trolllish diary. (9+ / 0-)

    the president's speech was stellar - this diary and linked opinion, not so much.

    "You can make a profound intellectual statement just by basing your efforts on silliness." -- Donald Roller Wilson

    by canadian gal on Thu May 19, 2011 at 02:07:26 PM PDT

    •  Better if you take out "ish". (4+ / 0-)

      Why is BOKnows still here? This autoban really fails hard.

      The Troll Haiku: "Anger leads to hate Hate leads to tasty pastries I sense fail in you"--raptavio Tomorrowsprogressives.com

      by TomorrowsProgressives on Thu May 19, 2011 at 04:31:26 PM PDT

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      •  it's an okay diary (1+ / 0-)
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        Larsstephens

        it's opinionated, so?  There's a lot of old guys disliking our president in other places too, that's a fact.  He is mistrusted in Israel among the old and/or paranoid, for the same silly reason he's mistrusted among some of the same here. If they published that analogy, the diarist has the right to mock them for it.  Racism goes many ways and should be outed wherever it's discovered.  

        Just say it: Medicare for All

        by anna shane on Thu May 19, 2011 at 06:27:08 PM PDT

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      •  Don't let the door hit you on the way out (0+ / 0-)

        Learn some critical reading skills ... and then take the time to actually read.

        As to your complaining of my presence, I don't remember inviting you to the party that I'm hosting on this diary.

        Lest you be mistaken, I do invite dissenting opinions...but to waste oxygen and merely protest my presence on my diary is rather idiotic.

        To DailyKos I'm a troll, Naderite, right wing conservative. Fortunately, I like dissent...just shake, stir and relax.

        by BOknows on Fri May 20, 2011 at 12:31:29 AM PDT

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      •  Ok...you're 14...you get a pass (0+ / 0-)

        But are you ever wrong about this diary being 'trollish'...with or without the 'ish'.

        To DailyKos I'm a troll, Naderite, right wing conservative. Fortunately, I like dissent...just shake, stir and relax.

        by BOknows on Fri May 20, 2011 at 01:12:24 AM PDT

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    •  Maybe this diary is critical of the linked opinion (0+ / 0-)

      Seriously...I thought you Canadians weren't so about rushing to judgment - as you surely have.

      Why do so many people on daily kos look for a fight?

      To DailyKos I'm a troll, Naderite, right wing conservative. Fortunately, I like dissent...just shake, stir and relax.

      by BOknows on Fri May 20, 2011 at 12:33:48 AM PDT

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  •  "New Arafat"? "Next Arafat"? In the linked piece? (1+ / 0-)
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    Mets102

    That's not what the Israeli MK said -- He said Obama was endorsing an idea that the Israeli considers part of a supposed staged plan by Arafat to  dismantle Israel. He wasn't comparing Obama and Arafat -- just their supposed plans.

    Coming Soon -- to an Internet connection near you: Armisticeproject.org

    by FischFry on Thu May 19, 2011 at 04:02:12 PM PDT

  •  You have Americans saying (2+ / 0-)
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    Mets102, volleyboy1

    Obama isn't even an American, doesn't meet the constitutional qualifications to be president. Why should I give a shit what some crank letter-writer in Israel says? We've got people here saying that much and worse.

    In loving memory: Sophie, June 1, 1993-January 17, 2005. My huckleberry friend.

    by Paul in Berkeley on Thu May 19, 2011 at 07:31:11 PM PDT

    •  That crank writer was me... (0+ / 0-)

      How exactly do you read that letter as being anything but supportive of Obama and critical of Israel?

      Just curious...are you reading with your troll-colored glasses?

      ...Cause this diary is highly critical of the Israeli right as they responded to the Obama speech.

      Jeez...is it my careless writing (I think not)...others careless reading...or that progressive kook's republishing of this diary on the Troll list (most likely)?

      To DailyKos I'm a troll, Naderite, right wing conservative. Fortunately, I like dissent...just shake, stir and relax.

      by BOknows on Fri May 20, 2011 at 01:07:12 AM PDT

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