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In the last 25 years, America has seen 80% of economic growth going to the top 2% of Americans.  In the same time period, our national debt has roughly increased 2.5 times.

Now, a significant portion of political might is geared towards reducing taxes on the wealthy under the guise of 'being fair'.  They ignore the economic reality that the average American (60% of the population) has not been the net beneficiary of the increasing debt - as witnessed by their shrinking wallets - but rather the rich (and the top 2-5%). These 'fiscal conservatives' talk of the 'burden' borne by rich taxpayers, when the reality is that the rich still pay lower tax rates by % and still gross and net far more in simple dollar terms.  By any measure, the rich have gotten richer, and the poor have gotten poorer, but that simple truth has been unaddressed.  

Those who speak of another form of 'fairness' - based on addressing economic, environmental, and social inequality - are accused of fomenting 'class warfare'.  These 'progressives' are ignored as they state that the rich have not been good stewards of our economic infrastructure in the Rust Belt and elsewhere, have trashed our environment from Alaska to Yellowstone to the Gulf of Mexico, and have fomented social strife by creating a Nixonian approach to governance that confuses and agitates with issues like immigration and abortion.  

In perhaps the greatest perversion of reality, the rich have somehow labeled themselves as the job 'creators', when they have in fact worked to offshore middle and lower class jobs over the last 3 decades.  And only 3 years ago, it was precisely the richest capitalists that melted down the economy and laid off millions.

These are simple facts, and facts have a way of eventually asserting their weight on everything from lab experiments to public opinion.  As the rumors, innuendo, and outright falsehoods are unlikely to escape the gravity of truth, it's likely that the rich's return to the hard ground of political sentiment will be dramatic.

2011 has certainly been a year of great drama around the world.  The Arab Spring has surprised the powerful and wealthy of even the most oppressive regimes.  In close neighbor Europe, events have lead to a prominent question of 'will America be the next Greece'?  However, unlike Egypt, Libya, and Syria, the Greece context has been one of economics, as in, "will America's public finances break down"?

Looking at Greece again, perhaps the greater question is:  Will America's public order break down?  

What will happen when people at long last acknowledge the reality that they have been duped into increasing productivity year after year, and building the largest, most efficient economy on their backs and brows, only to be less well off then their parents at the same age?

How will the truth be asserted?

Will we have riots?  Will we have looting?  Will centers of finance find themselves under seige?  Will hedge-fund traders be given police escorts from Wall Street?  

America has great passion for politics and a significant portion of the population that is not moderate in any of their thoughts or actions.  What will happen when these people realize that they're being fleeced of their future, and refuse to once again be led like sheep?

Will America be the Greece of ancient Athens that operated in democratic fashion, or the violent Greece of more recent history?  Will the debt vote, or unemployment benefits, or medicare be the catalyst in the next 'government of the people' experiment?  What happens if the great majority finally refuse to share a diminishing portion of an expanding pie?


What is your personal opinion of the potential and likelihood for social disorder?

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  •  Tip Jar (4+ / 0-)

    To DailyKos I'm a troll, Naderite, right wing conservative. Fortunately, I like dissent...just shake, stir and relax.

    by BOknows on Thu Jul 07, 2011 at 04:15:36 PM PDT

  •  I look forward to the riots (2+ / 0-)
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    GiveNoQuarter, G2geek

    Ordering a pitchfork now.

    "Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

    by Diana in NoVa on Thu Jul 07, 2011 at 04:21:19 PM PDT

  •  riots require groups of people being whipped up (0+ / 0-)

    if people who organize protests do the work to prevent the groups from being whipped up then their won't be any riots

    I really do worry about the state of reading comprehension. Or maybe it’s just that extremists can’t grasp the notion of non-extreme positions held by other people. - Paul Krugman

    by Anton Bursch on Thu Jul 07, 2011 at 04:23:16 PM PDT

    •  Which is why we have to prevent (2+ / 0-)
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      G2geek, DaleA

      the labor misleaders and others from tamping down on potential militancy.

      As Mao said, "It is right to rebel against reactionaries."

      "It's not a question of worrying or of hoping for the best, but of finding new weapons." -- Gilles Deleuze, Postscript on Control Societies

      by GiveNoQuarter on Thu Jul 07, 2011 at 05:06:33 PM PDT

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  •  Whole bunch o' problems with this: (0+ / 0-)

    1. Don't confuse anarchism with chaos in the streets.

    2. Americans don't do class riots. Race is more our style.

    3. Desperate workplace actions are more likely responses.

    4. The elderly don't take to the streets in their walkers.

    5. I'm getting tired of pointing out the problems. Anyone?

  •  Look at any other 3rd world country (0+ / 0-)

    We can have 50% unemployment and people living in cardboard boxes and there wouldn't be riots.  As long as the other 50% are doing fine, they'll just support more police to keep those bums from causing problems.  

    Americans are too greedy to care.

  •  Fat chance (2+ / 0-)
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    Sychotic1, tidalwave1

    People are too busy watching "reality" TV.  Hey, Glee is on!

  •  I believe that this will self-correct (2+ / 0-)
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    peptabysmal, G2geek

    Riots and violence are not necessary.

    Peaceful, organized, unrelenting protest and elections, including recalls, will solve the problem eventually. The MLK approach is recommended.

    Yes, I understand that there were riots during those years. I think that this accelerated the passage of the Civil Rights Acts. Riots are simply unlikely to happen. The times and the context are different. I'm not predicting anything either way here.

    The pendulum is swinging back to the left. Thank the overreaching asshole state legislatures that the Kochs bribed.

    We must not let up. We must continue to educate the low-info voters. We can easily show them the correct info and point them to credible sources. We can continue to pressure rightie wingnuts off of their high horses and, hopefully, get the lies and hote off of our public airwaves..

    If people start to realize that they are being hoodwinked or that the Republican Party has been replaced by the Republic Party, the might decide that they've been Democrats all along. Don't waste time on the rightie nutjobs, though. It is such a waste of time.

    I can't equate any of the current situations to the Nixonian era. Nixon did horrible things to our country's economy. He made all the wrong economic decisions. Remember Nixon Shock? We truly don't know what will happen next. What we know for sure, though, is that the Republic Party won't do the right things for the people.


    "All people are born alike - except Republicans and Democrats" - Groucho Marx

    by GrumpyOldGeek on Thu Jul 07, 2011 at 05:25:23 PM PDT

    •  I have to disagree (2+ / 0-)
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      G2geek, DaleA

      The USA is becoming divided between the have nothings and have mores.  The only thing that keeps the blood out of the streets and crony capitalists from decorating lamp posts is the mass media, fundamentalist Christianity and a two party system that is invested in protecting insiders even when they are the other party's insiders.  Once there is something big enough and sensationalistic enough to start a new media narrative it may get ugly.  Just remember no one could have predicted the Arab Spring a year ago.  I know that we aren't even close to that point yet and really don't want to see it happen.  

      If we can change the elites in our party and expand the areas in play in the election we may avoid this fate.  I see the public being upset with both parties, Republicans more so at this point.  

      Our rights don't come from God, they come from boycotts, revolts, strikes, court cases, the occasional bombing, and most importantly electing people the elites hate.  Rolling back the kleptocrats could take one of may forms.  

      I don't know what the future holds, but I hope that I am wrong about blood in the streets.  

      Under capitalism man exploits man, under communism the roles are reversed.

      by DavidMS on Thu Jul 07, 2011 at 07:48:06 PM PDT

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      •  Something better than riots. (1+ / 0-)
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        Riots are bad because people get hurt and things get smashed.

        But riots are good because they give liberals some spine for standing up to righties: deal with us or you're going to have to deal with more of them outside!

        What to do, what to do...?

        Try this:

        A few thousand people mix in with crowds on sidewalks and converge to a couple of key intersections on Wall Street and Washington DC.  The intersections are carefully chosen by scouting out in advance which couple of intersections in each city will effectively shut the place down.

        They time their arrival carefully in order to get to their respective targets at exactly the same time.   Cellphones are useful for this.

        Then they swarm out into the middle of the intersections and stand there.   Pretty quickly they pull out signs: each person has an 11-1/2" x 23" piece of paper with a single letter printed on it in block capitals in black.  They quickly arrange themselves so the letters form words:


        And they just stand there, with one "FED UP" being visible from each direction of traffic.

        Shortly the police arrive on the scene, and someone else from the sidewalk quickly approaches them to say "I'm with the protest, we'll disperse peacefully as soon as you give the order over your loudspeakers."

        The police give the order, the protesters disperse, but traffic remains somewhat a'snarl for a couple more hours.  

        Simultaneously on Wall Street and in DC.

        The following week this happens on a different day of the week, exactly the same way, but at two different key intersections in each city.

        And that's all.  

        The tactic can be repeated a few months later if need be, but not too often, in order to retain the element of surprise.  

        The slogan "FED UP!" can also reappear in other ways, for example as picket signs carried by people walking down the sidewalk (let the police know there won't be any street-blocking going on that day), or as pieces of office-sized paper held up in the audience area in Congress when some nasty Republican steps up to speak.  

        Next, protests on the sidewalks or streets in front of the homes of some of the most offensive plutocrats and their enablers.  These would occur during the hours 4:00 - 7:00PM local time, so neighbors returning home from work would see that "something was up" with the people down the street.  

        Other evocative words and phrases can be spelled out the same way, for example DETERRENCE and CLASS WAR.  

        A major element of the power of these types of demonstrations is the fact that they are necessarily well-organized, disciplined, peaceful and even quiet, and always disperse when the police give the order.  This keeps the focus on the message, makes people wonder what it's about, and prevents any digressions over protesters doing "bad things."  

        At first they will be ignored by the media, but with concerted effort, will soon get attention and become iconic.

        Brought to you by the Department of Gray Ops!

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